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PostPosted: 14 Oct 2002 04:07:33 pm    Post subject: Craven Thompson links gaming to DC sniper attacks Reply with quote

That someone would be so craven to suggest that Counter-strike or any other video game is the root cause of the current DC sniper attacks is just abhorrent. Setting aside the ludicrous nature of the charges against gaming chat rooms based on the "I am God" quote, using these tragic and terrifying attacks as a platform for an anti-gaming bias is clueless, classless, and is deserving of derision. Slap this bozo with a fish! This kind of fear-mongering to promote one's own agenda is clearly slapworthy... Phy

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On Friday October 11th of this week I had a my TV on trying to catch up on the local and national news as usual. I walked into my room and on TV was Today Show's Matt Lauer interviewing Dade County Fla. attorney Jack Thompson. I had never heard of the guy before that point but what caught my ear was " ....Counter-Strike and other games of this type..." and I started watching. What Mr. Thompson was discussing the recent East Coast sniper attacks that at the time of this writing has reached 10 in total and the possible implication (actually insinuation) that the gunman is most likely a deranged online gamer. His proof? The tarot card that read "I am God". Remember that? Well Mr. Thompson told Matt that the phrase "I am God" is a very oft repeated phrase "with these young kids in internet gaming chat rooms" ...."it's like a code phrase". The next piece of his deranged puzzle was that "Sniper Mode" is called "God Mode" in gamer parlance.....see the connection? Let me know if you do because I'm still dumbfounded. He continued on with a few other extremely tenuous connections that I couldn't fathom anyone in their right minds trying to make. But then I did a simple Google search on "Jack Thompson video games"...

It seems Mr. Thompson has made a career out of trying to stick it to the gaming industry and Hollywood by bringing lawsuits against id, Activision and a slew of others that he could even remotely connect with gaming. Remember the 1997 shooting rampage by a Kentucky High School student? Jack Thompson parachuted in for that one, here's a quote from an article on the shootings:


The parents have announced their intention to file a $130 million lawsuit against Time Warner and Polygram Film, producers and distributors of the Jim Carroll biopic Basketball Diaries. Also named in the suit, according to Associated Press are video game makers Nintendo, Sega and Sony Computer Entertainment, as well as proprietors of two Web porn sites, Network Authentication Systems and Meow Media.

"We intend to hurt Hollywood," says Jack Thompson, lawyer for one of the parents. "We intend to hurt the video game industry. We intend to hurt sex porn sites."


Jack Thompson also threatened Stephen Speilberg with litigation if he didn't pull violent games from his arcade chain. As a matter of fact Jack Thompson has managed to make himself seen and heard in almost every teen-with-a-gun-rampage media event of the past decade.

Jack Thompson scares me as much as any sniper currently on the loose. Although I haven't had the time to thoroughly look into Mr. Thompson's career, the amount of mis-information that he has allegeded to have spread is deeply disturbing. Long after Mr. Thompson has lined his pockets with the money awarded by grief stricken families who are looking for a scapegoat to ease their pain, we will have to live with his legacy of censhorship for as long as the current legal system is operating the way it does.


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PostPosted: 14 Oct 2002 04:34:49 pm    Post subject: Re:Craven Thompson links gaming to DC sniper attacks Reply with quote

*sigh*
Its idiots like these guys that start the Dark Ages all over again!


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PostPosted: 14 Oct 2002 05:03:29 pm    Post subject: Re:Craven Thompson links gaming to DC sniper attacks Reply with quote

there was a gang shooting the other day, omg it must have been a gamer. ::)

y is gaming responsible for all this? i gaurantee u there was violence before video games. i think that little man hates it when kids or adults have fun.

so what if its called god mode? if there is a god h doesnt shoot people n the head.
Tis bullshit i tell ya what.
I think this guy may have been in the army and hes getting bored and needs some practice, i DO NOT think that is the way to get it but i guess he does.
We will know in time


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PostPosted: 16 Oct 2002 02:41:15 am    Post subject: Re:Craven Thompson links gaming to DC sniper attacks Reply with quote

People such as this guy are just misinformed. 10-15 years ago, something like this would've been blamed on cartoon violence. I another 10-15 years, I'm sure it will be blamed on something entirely different.

The fact of the matter is that there are no studies or real evidence backing any of these guys acusations. However, there are is in fact a study that was put out from G.B. around 2 years ago, I think, that actually stated video games had a tendancy to reduce aggresiveness in children.

I really don't think it is something to get too worked up over, becuase there is really not any threat to the games we love being pulled from store shelves....
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PostPosted: 16 Oct 2002 05:54:45 am    Post subject: Re:Craven Thompson links gaming to DC sniper attacks Reply with quote

i was watching one of the news networks today and that dude named bo dietl (talking head former cop and private investigator) kept bringing up video games as a cause for this incident and pretty much stated he believes that this is being done by a pair of teenagers who are killing people with a sniper rifle because of the influence sniping games have on them causing them to go out and commit these murderous acts in real-life (of course, all because of video games).

he, too, kept bringing up the whole "i am god" phrase being common-place in online gaming and how "doom" (of all games to mention) has "i am god" sniping mode -- clearly this man is grossly misinformed, but his ignorance of the real facts and his utter lack of knowledge of the issues related to gaming didn't stop him from getting up in front of all of the cameras he could to bark away at how gaming is the cause for depraved lunatics going around and shooting people in real-life.

listen folks -- there are criminals out there. there are also "pure evil" people who have no conscience or sense of morality and cannot tell (or perhaps don't WANT to tell) right from wrong... people who would take a gun and shoot someone aren't MADE by sitting them in front of a computer game for hours on end. people like this are born and regardless of what they see or do (like participating in gaming) they will be evil and they will DO evil. someone who is fucked up enough to shoot people in the head with a high-powered sniper rifle have something wrong in their heads that would not be undone by removing games from their lives.

there are literally MILLIONS of people playing online games and playing first-person shooters -- the obviously BLINDING majority of them NEVER even THINK about committing murder, let alone pick up a gun to go shoot someone. wouldn't you think that if games caused this sort of problem, that these things would be more common? so what do these talking-heads on the news networks have to backup their claims? well... they use incidents like columbine, where the two guys had a game on their computer where they went around and killed people -- well, how many kids with a computer DON'T have a game like that? not many...

the thing that really gets under my skin with all of this nonsense, is that these people who make these outrageously moronic claims about gaming cite the outcome and a purely coincidental past-association with a game as a CAUSE for this sort of murderous spree. i wonder if these people have the ability to separate the facts and THINK a bit about the situation before jumping to conclusions. what is the cause and what is the effect? come on people, this is elementary reasoning skill.... is it that these people were influenced by the game that they decided to go out and kill people, or is it possible that they were killers and just happened to be drawn to the game because of that... or MAYBE just maybe they used the game like anyone else for a bit of entertainment and harmless fun. when i go online and "kill" people in a game, I KNOW that i am not really killing someone... i have the ability to separate fantasy from real-life. people who don't have that ability would come into trouble regardless of if they played a game or not...

but i digress...

the fact is, that they know NOTHING about who is killing people right now -- for all they know it could be a 50 year old ex-marine who has never seen a computer in his life and is stuck in a mental prison robbing him of any attachment to reality -- or it could be a 20 year old lunatic (most 20 year olds i know have computers, and most also have at least played a game where you shoot people, but all of them know it's not real). the real fact is that nobody knows who is doing this, and it's foolish, harmful, and wrong to go out and blindly attack a community of gamers, hell attack the very existence of fps games, without ANY evidence at all tying it to games.

pretty much all people from all groups of society play games -- i'm sure you can find pretty much a little of every group in a gaming community -- we're a microcosm of real society. there are kids, adults, parents, grandparents, students, professionals, police, military, government-types... the list goes on and on. but if you realize that anyone (good or bad) can and do play games, you must realize and admit that there will necessarily be some evil-doers in the group as well -- there are MILLIONS of people who play fps games everyday online... at least a couple of them are capable of killing. the numbers would dictate as much. so does the fact that someone who played a game and went out and killed people mean that the game caused them to kill? or does that mean that a killer, who would have killed anyway, happened to play a game every now and then? i submit that the answer is OBVIOUS.... and people trying to draw this line connecting games to killing are simply wrong and should shut up.


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PostPosted: 16 Oct 2002 06:08:11 am    Post subject: Re:Craven Thompson links gaming to DC sniper attacks Reply with quote

I'd just like to say, one of the claims made by investigators about the columbine shooting was that one of the Final Fantasy series video games (which I am partial to) made these kids want to go out and kill people.

Nuff said, ignorance is overwhelming these days.


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PostPosted: 16 Oct 2002 05:17:55 pm    Post subject: Re:Craven Thompson links gaming to DC sniper attacks Reply with quote

Don't forget they also implicated the music they listened to. I laughed cause at the time I was big into Quake 2 and listened to Kein Mehrheit Fur Die Mitleid (one of the bands they claim led to the event).

I just had a quiet little moment that day, 4/20 (so I was wasted), and said out loud... if someone takes this pipe away from me I'm gonna blow their head off. Then laughed at the thought of red tape burocrats casting the blame on something like music and games to explain why parts of the human race are defective when these were making explosives in their parents house...

(If making explosives at home, always use adult supervision)

Don't get me wrong, theres nothing funny about the school killings, I just seem to find the angle the government used to explain the situation a little far fetched. Where were the parents held accountable?


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PostPosted: 16 Oct 2002 08:11:48 pm    Post subject: Re:Craven Thompson links gaming to DC sniper attacks Reply with quote

well it was said that the lil boys who killed peoples in their school was peoples that was abused by other peoples in school... when we are in high school...we like to make fun of peoples around us... everyone is like that...but... u need to make fun of someone ...and sometimes ...the whole school is making fun of 1guy...

how u think that boy is feeling? Yeah we never really gave a shit about his own feelings...since we were havin fun. But we never though that all these things was hurting the guy.

when i came in high school for the first year...some guys 4years older was making fun of me... damn it was hurting me...each time i was walking in the corridors...i was scared to see those guys... and have to be their "toy" again. Did i even though about killing everyone in the school...of course not...but some peoples can think this is the ONLY way to stop that

sayin games is the reason for each crimes commited since the last 10years is totally studid and ignorant...

these lawyer are a bunch of morons who just want to make money...

remember the lawyer in the simpsons at the hospital....
giving his business card to each peoples who come in the hospital....

well that moron is exactly like that...he probably made millions like that...


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PostPosted: 16 Oct 2002 10:07:30 pm    Post subject: Re:Craven Thompson links gaming to DC sniper attacks Reply with quote

Seems to me this guy is playing on people's fears to make a buck. And the scapegoat is entertainment!

If you want to ban video games, or violent movies, then why not ban Stephen King books, all pictures of guns, knives, all history books that talk about violence and wars, censor the media so that no violence is shown..... you get the point. The farther you go, the more fascist it gets.

Don't blame entertainment..... what about this guy's parents? Do we know if at some point they sat down with him and said..... "You know, its not good to kill people because its not nice and will get you into trouble". Of course its speculation, but if I were a parent and my child did something whacked, I wouldn't blame the video games he played, but I would discipline the fire out of him............. WHACK. Don't get on me about "child abuse" either, because that is hurting your child for fun or too feel strong, or something twisted like that. I'm talkin' a good ol' take the boy back to the shed and whip out the belt country whuppin' to learn ya a lesson.

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PostPosted: 16 Oct 2002 10:39:55 pm    Post subject: Re:Craven Thompson links gaming to DC sniper attacks Reply with quote

problem is that parents give kids tv's and computers and let them entertain themselves... so when the parents have a wake-up call that their kid who they pay no attention to and don't supervise at all is a trouble maker or a killer, the parents assume, of course, that they cannot be to blame and look at what the kid has been doing with his time (games, etc) -- not at what has been missing from the child's lfe (good solid parenting).

the society today is a "not my fault" "blame someone else" orgy or idiocy and apathy -- people should own up to their problems and mistakes and stop trying to make everyone else pay for their shortcomings.


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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2002 12:39:01 am    Post subject: Re:Craven Thompson links gaming to DC sniper attacks Reply with quote

Yep, many people are quick to blame mistakes on something besides themselves -- even the parenting issue, when we have 30 year olds blaming something they did on their parents...... even if you had/have a lousy home life, it doesn't mean you have the right to make someone else's life miserable. True, you have been a "victim" but at some point you've got to try to do something positive with it.

Back to the ranch, I don't think public policy should mandate American society's morals, lest we lose our morality itself..... it will just become another "do and don't" law that can be manipulated. Nor should this be pushed to the schools -- "Here teach my kid." For me, I plan to teach my kids right 'n wrong & try to add some good citizens to the world.
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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2002 05:45:13 am    Post subject: Re:Craven Thompson links gaming to DC sniper attacks Reply with quote

They are draped by that warm,cozy,soft blanket of ignorance as bluto would say.

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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2002 11:52:00 am    Post subject: Re:Craven Thompson links gaming to DC sniper attacks Reply with quote

well... u guys said that it is mostly parents fault... but why its their fault...cuz they dont really have the time anymore to take care of their own kids... when your parents always leave at 8 and come back at 6... and when they're back at home... they still work on some stuffs ... who mean they cant take care of their kids at around 8-9PM ... when u are young....u go to sleep around 9-10PM, the major problem is the way peoples are working... ready to do some 80hrs a week + some works at home... if it was a LAW that each person on the planet have to work 40Hrs per week MAX and CANT take some work to their home after the job... THEN our kids would be able to talk with their parents...and learn stuffs about life...not about 2+2 = 4

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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2002 04:04:06 pm    Post subject: Re:Craven Thompson links gaming to DC sniper attacks Reply with quote

I'm not blaming this at all on the parents. Whoever this guy is has to shoulder the blame all by himself. The older you get, the more responsible you are for yourself... that's why kids go to juvy and adults go to jail. I do think having children is a responsibility and a sacrifice -- if you do it, do it right and raise them, don't just keep popping in the DVDs to keep them occupied while you do your own thing. I don't know if a law restricting work hours would help -- but perhaps peer pressure and education would, to encourage people to spend time with their kids once in a while.

I think the original point was that this lawyer was saying VIDEO GAMES are the CULPRIT for VIOLENT ACTS, particularly among young people. I was bringing up that PARENTS are MORE reponsible for what kids do than the VIDEO GAMES, if anything!

NOW, when it comes to adults.... you've got no one and nothing to blame but yourself. If this sniper guy is 28 years old, they find him and he says he learned it from Counter-Strike........ no way you can blame what you did as an adult on that!! You're TOAST! This is what Bluto & I are talkin about is that society is very quick to blame-shift.

It gets blurry around the teenage years, because people are sort of independent, but sort of dependent on their parents, usually. For example, MOST high school students live at home and don't support themselves, but do most social things without parents. So it is harder to deal with if you are a parent..... but if you wasted 13 or 14 years by not spending any time with your child, your kid will not feel close enough to you to even think about listening -- society has already raised your child for you, so there is some catching up to do. But for teenagers, you have to start talking to them as young adults, because in a few years they will become adults, and according to our current laws, will need to take responsibility as adults --- no more juvy, its the real deal penitentary now!
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